K-Pod Finale

Catherine Hong:

Hello, and welcome to K-Pod, the podcast about Korean Americans and arts and culture from Korean American story. I’m Catherine Hong, a writer and editor.

Juliana Sohn:

And I’m Juliana Sohn, a photographer.

Catherine Hong:

Today, we are filming our final episode of K-Pod. It has been five years, and this is our 35th episode.

Juliana Sohn:

I think when we started the podcast, we really thought, we need something like this out here. There was a podcast that I love called, Pod Save the People, and it was Black activists. And I remember, I emailed HJ, and I said, “We need something like that for Korean Americans.” I just love how specific it was. It educated me on issues I wasn’t aware of, and I thought HJ would’ve been the perfect person to do this. And then, he turned around and said, “I’ve been dying to do a podcast, and I think you’d be the perfect host”, which was not what I was expecting. But I thought about it, and then I thought, I just need to try something new, a new challenge, and I wanted to do it with Catherine because I thought you would help flesh out the parts that I wasn’t so confident about.

Catherine Hong:

I don’t think we heard enough stories about Korean Americans, but it was something that Juliana and I were always so curious to learn a little more, about the lives of people that we read about.

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely. Because Catherine and I both have magazine backgrounds, we had pitched a fair number of stories where we were trying to get more Asian Americans into mainstream media, and there were always misses. And they said, “Oh, we love it”, but it never really quite… They never ran the story. And I think K-Pod was the perfect vehicle for us to be able to have in-depth conversations, and conversations that didn’t need to satisfy the design and arts culture so much. We could delve into the stories and ask them questions that they don’t normally get asked.

Catherine Hong:

So, what I loved was getting to interview a creative person, and not just hear about the work but hear about, what did your parents think when you chose to be an artist?

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

What were your childhood memories? Or even, how good is your Korean? I’m always interested in knowing how Korean-Korean are a lot of these Korean Americans? Are there families like mine or are they different kinds of families?

Juliana Sohn:

Yeah. And my favorite interviews were when… Jim Lee, he was so generous to say, “I can give you an hour of my time.” And we spent so much time, I think, setting up, and then he realizes this isn’t a typical interview he’s had, and we’re asking him questions about his parents and his childhood, and there are things that he hasn’t even thought about in so long. We’re talking about his daughter who lives in Korea, and her Korean is now better than his. And he didn’t want to go.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think Jim was a special case because he’s such a celebrity in the world of comic books, but I think a lot of that audience is a bunch of white dudes who are mostly interested in his work as an artist, but they’re not that interested in him as a person. And we are so interested in everything, about his prep school, background, to-

Juliana Sohn:

His parents, his kids.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. So, we take it in a different way. Anyway, we’ve met so many amazing people through this podcast, and I feel connected to them, still, even if I don’t talk to them. But when I see them on Instagram or I hear about their next projects, I just feel so much more connected. And I genuinely have really enjoyed everyone we’ve spoken with.

Juliana Sohn:

Oh, yeah. Jason Kim.

Catherine Hong:

Who’s a screenwriter for Girls, and he wrote the book for KPOP, the Broadway show.

Juliana Sohn:

And we were so moved hearing his story about his father being ill and how it brought them closer together. And then, meeting Jason, we forge a connection, and I was able to actually meet his parents and photograph their legacy portraits. The podcast brought us together.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. Also, that was one of my favorite episodes. We laughed so hard during that, and he’s…

Juliana Sohn:

And he cried.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah, yeah.

Juliana Sohn:

We laughed and cried.

Catherine Hong:

No, that was great. Yeah. A+ guest.

Well, speaking of other guests that have really stuck with me, one of our guests from the very first season was Ji Lee, who is a creative director. He had worked at Google and Facebook-

Juliana Sohn:

Saatchi & Saatchi.

Catherine Hong:

But what was inspiring about him, I’m sure you’ll agree, is he had this philosophy, life philosophy, that you have to pursue creative work that is meaningful to you and-

Juliana Sohn:

Personal project.

Catherine Hong:

… it does not have to be… Usually, the best work that you do is not for your job. And he did a lot of personal projects, art projects, kind of mischievous pranks around town or Instagram projects featuring his parents. And those are the projects that got him the most accolades.

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

That meant the most to him, and have really defined his career. And he really inspired me to think about doing work that I found personally meaningful. And it’s true that when you pursue what is personally meaningful to you, that’s your best work.

Juliana Sohn:

Yeah, absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

And you have to make time for it, and you have to be brave and do what you want to do. That has really stuck with me.

Juliana Sohn:

Well, the guest that I think I quote more than anyone is Young Huh. She’s this fabulous interior designer. And I asked her a question about beauty, and how necessary is good design or luxury? Because I’m somebody who can be very skeptical about things that don’t have a function and very much-

Catherine Hong:

Or sometimes, it feels self-indulgent, or we worry that it’s a luxury for the privilege, to care about beauty.

Juliana Sohn:

And I had asked her about beauty, and her answer just really made me think about taking care of yourself and why beauty is important in your life. And it’s made me realize that beauty is not a luxury, and beauty does not have to be expensive. It could be anything that you find joy, and that makes your day or your life just a little bit more pleasant.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. And speaking of Young Huh, another way, I think, this podcast has opened new doors for me is, after we interviewed her and got to know her better, she was starting to explore more of her Korean American identity. And not too long ago, she became one of the founding members of a group called AAPIDA, which is the Asian American Pacific Islander Design Alliance, and it’s the first kind of industry group of Asian Americans coming together to become a support group for each other. It’s to promote Asian Americans in design and architecture, which they haven’t really had much of a voice.

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely. One of their main focal points is mentoring younger people to bring them up. And they have these wonderful events that you go, and it’s support, networking, great conversation.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah.

Juliana Sohn:

Information.

Catherine Hong:

Right, exactly. And now, I’ve been helping out with some events for them. And I do feel like a part of this community, in a way that I don’t think I really felt officially somebody who could represent. Now, it’s funny because I still think of myself as someone very much raised in white culture, yet my work doing K-Pod has given me kind of a weird, new position outward in the world where I’ll be asked to attend a Korean fashion show or, I don’t know, people have me on their radar as someone, which is kind of a joke because… I still think I’m not Korean enough, but I love feeling that I’m part of this world. And then, sometimes, Juliana and I will be somewhere, and people will come up to us and say, “Hey, you guys host K-Pod. We listen to your podcast”, which always floors me.

Juliana Sohn:

Yeah. Yeah. There have been several instances where I’ve connected with people, who are podcast listeners, on Instagram, or I meet them out in real life, and it makes me so thankful that there are listeners out there, but it also makes me really thankful because I feel connected. They’ve heard our thoughts and our questions, and kind of been with us as we are learning about our identity and our community.

I always think it’s really interesting. Pretty much everyone we’ve interviewed has said, “I don’t feel Korean enough.” And I don’t know if it’s our parents are trying to reinforce our culture, but it’s like, what is this uber Korean we all have in our heads? Are they always eating kimchi and fluent in Korean, and always so deferential to their elders? And I think that’s the thing that I really appreciate about this podcast and being able to host it, is that we’ve spoken with so many Korean Americans. And as being the hosts, we are in this position of saying, “Oh, no, no, no. You are Korean American enough. You are enough.” And in order to be able to do that, I think I’ve had to think, well, I have to be enough.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. That reminds me of something… I feel like I learned from Eric Kim, the food writer, who basically says that authenticity is bullshit.

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

And the idea is that, if you lived in experience, that’s a truth, and it can’t be discounted because it wasn’t authentic enough, because you actually lived it. Maybe you cooked a dish a certain way, and your parents-

Juliana Sohn:

With the ingredients that were local.

Catherine Hong:

… [inaudible 00:11:08] that were around. Exactly. That was authentic to your family. You’re Korean American, and that’s how you cooked it. So, nobody can say, “That’s not real.” It’s real if you lived it.

And same for your life experience. I’m certainly Korean. My parents are Korean. I grew up feeling a little different and always knowing I was Korean American, but I’ve come to feel like the experience I’ve had is just as valid as someone else’s experience, who is more Korean.

Juliana Sohn:

Well, the experience of diaspora Koreans is that, our parents have this arrested development where they’re trying to hold on to traditions, and they don’t evolve because they’re trying to be true to a time that they remember. Whereas, I think the Koreans in Korea, they evolve and they keep changing. And I love that there’s almost like a rebound of Korean influence coming in, and whether it be cuisines or whatever it is, that there’s a mixing of cultures going on that has arrived in America. And you can see it a lot in food.

But I love that. I love seeing not only just the traditional kinds of Korean dishes that you see in Korean restaurants, but that they’re tackling all sorts of different kinds of foods.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah.

Juliana Sohn:

There was an article that just came out in the New York Times, that we were talking about recently, talking about hand hospitality. The gorgeous photos were shot by Janice Chung, who is part of the Korean American Story family. And the kind of restaurants that they profiled are Korean restaurants, but they’re like Korean-Korean. But not all restaurants in Korea are only going to do kimchi-jjigae. So, I love that we have that breadth of diversity of Korean, authentic Korean chefs who are making food that they feel good about, and they just happen to be Korean chefs.

Catherine Hong:

Speaking of food, I was also recently thinking about how it’s a shame that we only were able to interview, I think, one person who’s half Korean, Michelle Zauner, of Japanese Breakfast, because I’m-

Juliana Sohn:

Multiracial.

Catherine Hong:

Multiracial. Because that’s something I was always fascinated by, as a kid, the halfies, as I would think of them. And Juliana and I both have children who are half Korean, half white, and that there’s so much to discuss there, their experience.

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

There’s so many multiracial Koreans now.

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. So, I loved hearing her perspective. I wish that we had… There are some guests that I feel like, if we did continue this episode, we would’ve loved to have had, and I would’ve loved to have had some more multiracial Koreans, some adoptees.

So, Juliana, I have a question for you. Who would you have liked to have interviewed? Who did we not get a chance to interview? Was there someone on your list?

Juliana Sohn:

Oh, I know we pursued Cathy Park Hong.

Catherine Hong:

Who we did meet at an event, but we never got to interview her.

Juliana Sohn:

Yeah. So, she was a big one. And I know there was… Is it Bernard Lee, who is a car designer for Tesla, early on…

Catherine Hong:

Yeah.

Juliana Sohn:

We tried really hard to get him.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. At one point, he thought he could do it, but maybe he wasn’t allowed to.

Juliana Sohn:

I know. He was in between jobs. And then, once he started working back at Tesla, I think, maybe, he wasn’t allowed to.

Catherine Hong:

One guest that I actually wished we had gotten… This would’ve been a dream, is Sandra Oh, because nobody ever, obviously, thinks I look like anybody, but I can’t tell you how many times strangers have come up to me and said, “Are you on that TV show? Are you the doctor?” And for the longest time, I didn’t even know what they were talking about, because I never watched Grey’s Anatomy. And then, I found out that Sandra Oh and I have the same exact birthday, and so… Anyway. She’s my spirit celebrity. And one day, I hope to meet her. Love her. Just want to say that.

Cathy Park Hong, I’ve been obsessed with her for many years, because we have such similar names. And I knew her, really, as a poet, before she wrote Minor Feelings, which was such a sensation.

Juliana Sohn:

Well, we were lucky enough to attend a reading that Marie Myung-Ok Lee organized at Columbia, small room. There were some phenomenal writers there. And I’d never heard of Cathy Park Hong. And she read an excerpt from Minor Feelings before it was published there, and we were so blown away. Like, “This is going to be huge.”

Catherine Hong:

Right. And we really-

Juliana Sohn:

We asked her to be a guest, on the spot. And unfortunately, after playing email tag for a while, it just-

Catherine Hong:

Yeah. I think she got a little bit too much in demand. She was everywhere.

Juliana Sohn:

Yes.

Catherine Hong:

And actually, that brings us back to why are we ending K-Pod? I think one of the great things that’s happened is that, there has been a lot more opportunity for Korean-Americans to be in the media.

Juliana Sohn:

Asian-Americans, in general.

Catherine Hong:

Right. It’s only been five years since we’ve been doing this podcast, and it was starting, back then, but now, God, there are Korean-Americans everywhere. We’re doing great.

Juliana Sohn:

I think it’s remarkable. In the five years since we started K-pop…

Catherine Hong:

K-Pod. We founded K-pop.

Juliana Sohn:

It’s remarkable, in the five years that we started K-Pod, how visible Asian-Americans in culture and media had become. From winning Academy Awards, Parasite. Beef just won a bunch of awards, got nominated.

Catherine Hong:

Cathy Park Hong was on the cover of Time Magazine.

Juliana Sohn:

I know.

Catherine Hong:

That was really humiliating for me. People are saying, “Hey, is that you on the cover?”

Juliana Sohn:

Right. And also, I think there are so many more outlets where people can go and get interviewed, and they can ask similar questions about heritage and your immigrant story. There are a lot of other podcasts out there. And I think that I don’t feel that we need to put K-Pod out anymore, with the same kind of need and urgency that I felt that we needed to back in 2018.

Catherine Hong:

Oh, speaking of episodes we never got to record. One that I really was interested in doing was, we were trying to organize a special episode about mental health, and we had these two great therapists, Dr. Jacob Ham and Dr. Michelle Chung. I had a million questions about why Korean immigrants have been so reluctant to enter therapy, or even utter the word shrink or psychiatrist to a lot of the issues our community has, that are deep-seated. It’s fertile territory, which actually takes us to what we should mention, Korean American Story is going to be focusing on, in the coming years, which is…

Juliana Sohn:

A lot of the stories that center around trauma and generational trauma.

Catherine Hong:

Finding healing through telling stories.

Juliana Sohn:

Exactly.

Catherine Hong:

Which is, really, the essential mission of Korean American Story.

Juliana Sohn:

When we were talking about Michelle Zauner… Catherine and I both have multiracial kids, and… I don’t know when kids start thinking about their identity or questioning it. I think, often, it’s around college. But my son, who’s 17, took an Asian American literature class, senior year, and his teacher, Ms. Mong, is just fantastic. And she had all these texts, Cathy Park Hong was one of them, that really made the kids have to grapple with and think about their identity, and… Emmett was maybe one of two or three multiracial kids, and everyone else was fully Asian in the class. And he really struggled. He’s like, “I just don’t see myself in the class. I don’t see myself reflected in the literature.” One of the lines in Cathy Park Hong’s Minor Feelings is, “If I don’t feel shame, am I even Asian American?” And he said, “Mom, I don’t feel shame. Does that mean I’m not Asian American?”

And there’s a part of me that was really upset, and I thought, you are a young person growing up in one of the most diverse cities in the world, and your mom felt so much shame at your age, that she worked damn hard to make sure that you never had to go through that. And now, because you’ve had this existence that has been carefully… I’ve been very careful that you didn’t have to go through what I did, now, he’s wondering, am I Asian American? And I said, “You know what? Cathy Park Hong is wonderful, she resonates with me, but she’s my age and she’s not a 17-year-old kid.” And so, I said, “Maybe you need to start thinking about what resonates with you, and there’s got to be other works out there that you can check out.” And his teacher recommended Michelle Zauner’s Crying in H Mart. He read the story in The New Yorker. He thought that she was amazing, and then he was blown away to hear that we had interviewed her.

Catherine Hong:

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Juliana Sohn:

So, for his final project, he did a presentation on multiracial identity, and she was one of the people that he had cited. And it is the only episode that my son has listened to.

Catherine Hong:

No, my kids do not listen. I don’t blame them. But what I think is funny is that, since we’ve been doing this for five years, in their mind, this is all mommy does. Anytime they see a Korean person on TV, they say, “Oh, do you know her? You must know her.” “No, I don’t.” Or anytime I talk about interviewing someone, they think I must be interviewing a Korean person. It’s kind of funny how-

Juliana Sohn:

Well, I don’t know. I have to say, I have felt a little bit sheepish saying, “Oh, yeah, after we interviewed Ashley Park, she kind of blew up in Emily in Paris, and now she’s huge.” And then, we love Peter Sohn, so we had him on. And a lot of people hadn’t heard of him, and he was so-

Catherine Hong:

The Pixar director.

Juliana Sohn:

Yeah. He’s so fantastic. And now, he’s nominated for an Oscar, for Elemental. So, when people say, “Oh, have you heard of Peter Sohn? Have you-“

Catherine Hong:

I love that guy. We loved him.

Juliana Sohn:

I know. But I think there have been maybe one too many times where I’ve said, “Oh, yeah, I interviewed him for the podcast.” So, I can’t say that I think I’ve gotten to be a better interviewer in the five years that we have been hosting K-Pod. I think during the pandemic, when we went on Zoom and I had got COVID early on, I don’t know that I ever really recovered my articulation. I find it still really hard to pull words out and put into complete, articulate sentences, what I want to say.

Catherine Hong:

Really?

Juliana Sohn:

And it’s been really challenging for me.

Catherine Hong:

Do you think you have long-term COVID?

Juliana Sohn:

I still have nerve ending kind of issues every now and again, that I can feel very slight. I don’t really have long COVID in the way that a lot of people experience it, but I do think that… I feel a little… I don’t know. Maybe it’s just age. Maybe I’ve always been inarticulate.

Catherine Hong:

No, I think you’re so articulate. Thank God. I try to let you do most of the talking.

Juliana Sohn:

But the other thing that I’ve learned is… I’ve always had issues with pronunciation, and I’ve always thought that I had a Korean accent. And I know people think I’m crazy, but when people speak another language, there are certain inflections that you have. English is not my first language, and I can hear it in the podcast when we do our edit. And somebody pointed out that I have a lisp, and I do.

Catherine Hong:

But that’s not related to Korean?

Juliana Sohn:

No, no, no, no. I think I do.

Catherine Hong:

I don’t think I ever noticed that.

Juliana Sohn:

Anyway. I’ve gotten so much out of doing K-Pod, but I don’t know that it’s ever been quite easy for me to put myself out there.

Catherine Hong:

Me, neither.

Juliana Sohn:

And so, I’m going to be a little relieved to not have that stress. It has been a great outlet, though, for exploring, and talking to, and getting to know people that I would never have met, otherwise.

Catherine Hong:

Absolutely. I’ve met many, many people who I never would’ve met. And also, the whole group at Korean American Story, which is an amazing organization. It is like a family. They took a chance on us and they supported us.

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

They made it all possible. So, maybe we should mention some of the people who’ve helped us make K-Pod.

Juliana Sohn:

Yeah, yeah. Kevin Park, we still think about you, and talk about you, and miss you.

Catherine Hong:

Yes. And Young Sun who’s here now, who is filming us and helps us with all the recordings and-

Juliana Sohn:

She does everything.

Catherine Hong:

… setting everything up, organizing-

Juliana Sohn:

She’s amazing.

Catherine Hong:

The great producer. We also had Deb Baek, who we miss.

Juliana Sohn:

Deb is in Korea right now, being bossed around by her halmeoni.

Catherine Hong:

Okay. All right, Deb. And we also had the help of…

Juliana Sohn:

Jessica.

Catherine Hong:

Jessica Park. Yes. Early on. She helped us with a lot of our early episodes. We have a phenomenal, phenomenal editor, AJ Valente. Not a Korean, but honorary, who makes everything sound good, and…

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

Cuts out all the bad stuff. And of course, HJ, HJ Lee, the co-founder of-

Juliana Sohn:

And president of Korean American Story.

Catherine Hong:

Right.

Juliana Sohn:

I think when people say, “Oh, how did you end up doing a podcast?” It’s because somebody like HJ has a vision and takes a chance on someone like me, who has always been behind the camera, only visuals. I’m not actually even sure why he thought it was a good idea, but I’m glad that he did and pushed me out of my comfort zone.

It is one of those situations where I sat on the fence, thinking, “Oh, how would I ever do this?” But there was a part of me that thought, “You just need to get up and try.” So, I’m glad. Thank you.

Catherine Hong:

Let’s talk about what’s next.

Juliana Sohn:

Wait, wait. Before we talk about what’s next, Catherine and I have known each other since we were in high school, and very close friends. But doing this podcast, one of the things that I was looking forward to when we decided to do this podcast together was that I would be forced to spend more time with you. And I thought, “Oh, that’d be great. I get to hang out with, and work with, and get to know Catherine better.” And we have, and it’s made us closer. But the thing that I find so fascinating is that, you and I have such vastly different upbringings and backgrounds. Your parents, their lifestyle, and my parents and their background. It’s so fascinating to me.

Catherine Hong:

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And it’s kind of representative of the show where we’ve learned that-

Juliana Sohn:

Absolutely.

Catherine Hong:

… Korean Americans have totally different experiences, even from being Catholic, to being Protestant.

Juliana Sohn:

I think the-

Catherine Hong:

Running a shop, to being a doctor. I mean…

Juliana Sohn:

And speaking only Korean at home and only eating Korean food, growing up, to not speaking Korean at home. Of course, interviewing all the people on the podcast made me realize that we all have very different lives and upbringings.

But actually, talking to you, and meeting your parents, and hearing your stories, and even the way we approach guests, and especially… I think it came out, especially, in the Korean Traditional Medicine episode, where we really approached it from vastly different viewpoints.

Well, now that we’re closing down shop and ending the podcast, what are you up to and what are your next… I mean, we’ve both been very busy leading freelance lives, hustling and doing other projects, but what do you have coming up? Or what are you excited for?

Catherine Hong:

Right now, I have five or six regular clients, magazines and editorial outlets, where I write similar types of stories every month. And I think I’m going to try to take some time, say no to some assignments. And with that time, try to do some personal writing.

I’ve said this for many years, I know, but I think this year, 2024, I really am going to take on fewer of those freelance assignments, which pay some of the bills, but I make so little money freelancing them. I might as well use that time and do work that feels meaningful to me. So, that’s my goal for 2024-

Juliana Sohn:

Well, maybe we can try-

Catherine Hong:

… to do more personal writing.

Juliana Sohn:

… on a book. It’s time for a Catherine book.

Catherine Hong:

It’s true. It might be time for a book. And what about you, Juliana? Tell us about the flowers.

Juliana Sohn:

For those of you who’ve been following me on Instagram, firstly, I’d like to say, yes, I am still a photographer, I still take pictures, but my Instagram feed has been populated with all these paper flowers that I started making last summer. I started making paper flowers because I wanted to do something new and different and creative, that was much more hands-on.

My photography, it’s become a lot more digitized. So, I shoot a digital camera, and my workstation is a monitor and a Wacom tablet. So, in making paper flowers, it’s very hands-on and tactile. There’s watercolors, pastels, glue, lots of scissors. And it’s been this really wonderful experience where I get to create something that is tangible and an explosion of color, ruffles and frills, and this fringe that… It just kind of wells up a part of me that goes, “Oh, they’re so pretty.” And this is where I think some of Young Huh’s beauty for beauty’s sake. I love the idea of having something beautiful next to your bed. So, you look at something beautiful right before you go to sleep, and then the first thing you see when you wake up is something beautiful.

And so, that’s my only intention in making these paper flowers. I just really enjoy this craft. And it’s not something that’s ever going to be displanted by AI, like my photography-

Catherine Hong:

Or my writing. I better learn how to make something.

Juliana Sohn:

So, thank you to all our listeners who… Some of you have come up to me and said you listened to every episode, which… Wow. Thank you.

Catherine Hong:

All our podcasts are still available to be downloaded from koreanamericanstory.org, and go back and listen to our very first episode, if you like.

Juliana Sohn:

We’ve learned so much and we’ve gotten so much out of talking to our guests, and I hope you have had, too. And I hope it inspires you to ask these questions and talk to people in your lives, whether it be your parents or grandparents. What’s important is to ask those questions.

Catherine Hong:

Thanks, everyone, for listening, and please stay in touch.

Juliana Sohn:

Yeah. You can follow us on our respective social media accounts. On Instagram, I’m @juliana_sohn.

Catherine Hong:

And I’m catherinehong100. And don’t forget Juliana’s paper flowers account.

Juliana Sohn:

Which is @pirrly, P-I-R-R-L-Y. And I don’t think that this is going to be the absolute end of our association with Korean American Story, so hopefully there will be some special projects in the future.

Speaker 3:

1, 2, 3.

Juliana Sohn:

Kamsahamnida.

Catherine Hong:

Kamsahamnida.

Juliana Sohn:

Annyeong. Fighting.

Speaker 3:

Oh, yeah.

Catherine Hong:

Actually, I think that’s…

Speaker 4:

Do it at the same time.

Catherine Hong:

Okay. I don’t even know how to do that.

Speaker 3:

Like this.

Juliana Sohn:

Finger Heart.

Catherine Hong:

Finger heart.

Juliana Sohn:

Oh, we learned this from Kyung Hee whenever we guest, remember? Finger hearts.

Catherine Hong:

Kamsahamnida.

Juliana Sohn:

Kamsahamnida.